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+To:  python-list
+Subject: comp.lang.python RFD again
+From: Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl
+
+I've followed the recent discussion and trimmed the blurb RFD down a bit
+(and added the word "object-oriented" to the blurb).
+
+I don't think it's too early to *try* to create the newsgroup --
+whether we will succeed may depend on how many Python supporters there
+are outside the mailing list.
+
+I'm personally not worried about moderation, and anyway I haven't
+heard from any volunteers for moderation (and I won't volunteer
+myself) so I suggest that we'll continue to ask for one unmoderated
+newsgroup.
+
+My next action will be to post an updated FAQ (which will hint at the
+upcoming RFD) to comp.lang.misc; then finalize the 1.0.0 release and
+put it on the ftp site.  I'll also try to get it into
+comp.sources.unix or .misc.  And all this before the end of January!
+
+--Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl>
+URL:  <http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Guido.van.Rossum.html>
+
+======================================================================
+
+These are the steps required (in case you don't know about the
+newsgroup creation process):
+
+First, we need to draw up an RFD (Request For Discussion).  This is a
+document that tells what the purpose of the group is, and gives a case
+for its creation.  We post this to relevant groups (comp.lang.misc,
+the mailing list, news.groups, etc.)  Discussion is held on
+news.groups.
+
+Then, after a few weeks, we run the official CFV (Call For Votes).
+The votes are then collected over a period of weeks.  We need 100 more
+yes votes than no votes, and a 2/3 majority, to get the group.
+
+There are some restrictions on the vote taker: [s]he cannot actively
+campaign for/against the group during the vote process.  So the main
+benefit to Steve instead of me running the vote is that I will be free
+to campaign for its creation!
+
+The following is our current draft for the RFD.
+
+======================================================================
+
+Request For Discussion: comp.lang.python
+
+
+Purpose
+-------
+
+The newsgroup will be for discussion on the Python computer language.
+Possible topics include requests for information, general programming,
+development, and bug reports. The group will be unmoderated.
+
+
+What is Python?
+---------------
+
+Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed in
+Amsterdam.  Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language,
+with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++.
+
+Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamic
+nature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support for
+general programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon,
+C, Modula,...
+
+Python may be FTP'd from the following sites:
+
+	ftp.cwi.nl in directory /pub/python (its "home site", also has a FAQ)
+	ftp.uu.net in directory /languages/python
+	gatekeeper.dec.com in directory /pub/plan/python/cwi
+
+
+Rationale
+---------
+
+Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers.
+The activity of this list is high, and to make handling the
+traffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. We
+also feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forum
+for this volume of discussion on a particular language.
+
+
+Charter
+-------
+
+Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve
+as a forum for discussing the Python computer language. The
+group will serve both those who just program in Python and
+those who work on developing the language. Topics that
+may be discussed include:
+
+	- announcements of new versions of the language and
+	  applications written in Python.
+
+	- discussion on the internals of the Python language.
+
+	- general information about the language.
+
+	- discussion on programming in Python.
+
+
+Discussion
+----------
+
+Any objections to this RFD will be considered and, if determined
+to be appropriate, will be incorporated. The discussion period
+will be for a period of 21 days after which the first CFV will be
+issued.